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		<title>Comment on Upcoming Deadlines by Adam Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do, if the person wants to read it in exchange for the product of his mind - the essay he will participate in (most likely to earn the money prizes). </description>
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		<title>Comment on SFL&#8217;s Impact, Conservatives, and Homocon 2010 by harriskenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>harriskenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant! McCobin is composed and concise, SFL all the way! </description>
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		<title>Comment on The Future of the GOP by clint7981</title>
		<link>http://studentsforliberty.org/news/the-future-of-the-gop/comment-page-1/#comment-9940</link>
		<dc:creator>clint7981</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 01:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was really well written! </description>
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		<title>Comment on SFL Leader Ross Kenyon Published in Christian Science Monitor by Phoenix Insurgent</title>
		<link>http://studentsforliberty.org/news/sfl-leader-ross-kenyon-published-in-christian-science-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-9922</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix Insurgent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 20:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It goes beyond corporations running the planet to capitalism colonizing and commodifying every aspect of our lives.  Take, for instance, the way that cell phones and social networking commodifies things that were quite impossible to commodify before, such as conversation or cultural production.   
 
Indeed, increasingly Capital reaches into our very cells and DNA.  Capital, in its never-ending quest for new markets (either to discover them or to create them), is constantly taking gift or volunteer relations and attacking them.  Consider the Skymall executive you&#039;re having at your conference as a prime example of this.  The capitalist sees this as providing a service or creating a new market, but the anti-capitalist sees it as destroying a human relation that preceded it, or in fact imposing a market where none was necessary. 
 
There are many problems with this but one big one is that the human values that once determined relations become replaced by the values of Capital (profit, exploitation, commodity, etc).  Another problem is that capitalist relations are hierarchical.  If we want our ducks in a row, then we have to oppose capitalism on those terms as well as others. 
 
Another problem is that Capital is produced by humans and extracted from those who produce it (surplus value) and given to the capitalist precisely because of the authoritarianism inherent in the worker/owner relationship (for instance).  Capitalism therefore cannot be non-hierarchical or else profit would disappear.  Likewise, the capitalist relation is always coercive.  It has to be.  No one gives up their surplus value for free. 
 
At the end of the day, capitalism violates the very principles that those who uphold the &quot;anarcho-cap&quot; and libertarian ideal defend most: the non-aggression principle.  &quot;Anarcho-capitalism&quot; is therefore in contradiction to itself. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It goes beyond corporations running the planet to capitalism colonizing and commodifying every aspect of our lives.  Take, for instance, the way that cell phones and social networking commodifies things that were quite impossible to commodify before, such as conversation or cultural production.  </p>
<p>Indeed, increasingly Capital reaches into our very cells and DNA.  Capital, in its never-ending quest for new markets (either to discover them or to create them), is constantly taking gift or volunteer relations and attacking them.  Consider the Skymall executive you&#8217;re having at your conference as a prime example of this.  The capitalist sees this as providing a service or creating a new market, but the anti-capitalist sees it as destroying a human relation that preceded it, or in fact imposing a market where none was necessary.</p>
<p>There are many problems with this but one big one is that the human values that once determined relations become replaced by the values of Capital (profit, exploitation, commodity, etc).  Another problem is that capitalist relations are hierarchical.  If we want our ducks in a row, then we have to oppose capitalism on those terms as well as others.</p>
<p>Another problem is that Capital is produced by humans and extracted from those who produce it (surplus value) and given to the capitalist precisely because of the authoritarianism inherent in the worker/owner relationship (for instance).  Capitalism therefore cannot be non-hierarchical or else profit would disappear.  Likewise, the capitalist relation is always coercive.  It has to be.  No one gives up their surplus value for free.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, capitalism violates the very principles that those who uphold the &#8220;anarcho-cap&#8221; and libertarian ideal defend most: the non-aggression principle.  &#8220;Anarcho-capitalism&#8221; is therefore in contradiction to itself.</p>
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		<title>Comment on SFL Leader Ross Kenyon Published in Christian Science Monitor by Palmetto State Quartet</title>
		<link>http://studentsforliberty.org/news/sfl-leader-ross-kenyon-published-in-christian-science-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-9916</link>
		<dc:creator>Palmetto State Quartet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 19:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are pleased to announce that The Palmetto State Quartet has just been recognized by the International Association of Independent Recording Artists as a Top 10 recording artist. According to SoundClick(tm), PSQ&#039;s new single, &quot;Don&#039;t That Sound Like Heaven&quot; has reached the number 8 position out of more than 51,000 singles currently being tracked.  
 
The song presents a powerful message about unborn children who were aborted and how they find a loving, peaceful home with their Heavenly Father.  
     
Don&#039;t that sound like heaven has also been adopted as the theme song for anti-abortion organization, Fight 4 Life.  
 
The song may be reviewed at the following link. Just copy it and paste it into your browser. It will take you to the song.  
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=9567826&amp;q=hi&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cf...&lt;/a&gt;  
 
Thank you for your prayers and continued support for Palmetto State Quartet.  
 
Please visit us at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.psqworld.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.psqworld.com&lt;/a&gt; after design </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are pleased to announce that The Palmetto State Quartet has just been recognized by the International Association of Independent Recording Artists as a Top 10 recording artist. According to SoundClick(tm), PSQ&#8217;s new single, &#8220;Don&#8217;t That Sound Like Heaven&#8221; has reached the number 8 position out of more than 51,000 singles currently being tracked. </p>
<p>The song presents a powerful message about unborn children who were aborted and how they find a loving, peaceful home with their Heavenly Father. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t that sound like heaven has also been adopted as the theme song for anti-abortion organization, Fight 4 Life. </p>
<p>The song may be reviewed at the following link. Just copy it and paste it into your browser. It will take you to the song. </p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=9567826&amp;q=hi" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cf.." rel="nofollow">http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cf..</a>.  </p>
<p>Thank you for your prayers and continued support for Palmetto State Quartet. </p>
<p>Please visit us at <a href="http://www.psqworld.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.psqworld.com</a> after design</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Future of the GOP by 21stCenturyActivist</title>
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		<dc:creator>21stCenturyActivist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 19:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Insights!  I hold similar views myself.  Please vistit my website &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.21stCenturyActivist.org&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;www.21stCenturyActivist.org&lt;/a&gt; for further discussion. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Insights!  I hold similar views myself.  Please vistit my website <a href="http://www.21stCenturyActivist.org" target="_blank">http://www.21stCenturyActivist.org</a> for further discussion.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Speakers Network by Lola Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lola Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 10:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i used to do fund raising for african communities and it was a great job to help others             ```</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i used to do fund raising for african communities and it was a great job to help others             &#8220;`</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Fight for Liberty in Mozambique by Students for Liberty destaca ensaio do Prêmio Bastiat &#124; OrdemLivre.org/blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Students for Liberty destaca ensaio do Prêmio Bastiat &#124; OrdemLivre.org/blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bennett, do Students for Liberty, destacou o ensaio premiado escrito por Henriques Viola sobre o mercado de frangos em Moçambique. Henriques foi o terceiro colocado no Prêmio Bastiat promovido pelo OrdemLivre.org com o ensaio [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bennett, do Students for Liberty, destacou o ensaio premiado escrito por Henriques Viola sobre o mercado de frangos em Moçambique. Henriques foi o terceiro colocado no Prêmio Bastiat promovido pelo OrdemLivre.org com o ensaio [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on SFL Leader Ross Kenyon Published in Christian Science Monitor by Ross Kenyon</title>
		<link>http://studentsforliberty.org/news/sfl-leader-ross-kenyon-published-in-christian-science-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-9821</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Kenyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will gladly chat with you, but please, use paragraph breaks.  Staring at a massive paragraph daunts my mind! 
 
1.) If the capitalists acquired their wealth through state power and not productivity, I don&#039;t believe they have any right to it.  
 
2.) I know there are lots of anarchists who are against money.  I&#039;m more of an anarchist without adjectives in this way.  I&#039;d like to free society and people through voluntaryism and see which systems work best and are the most just.  I suspect money works very well and would continue to do so, but would be open to other forms of exchange being superior. 
 
3.) I don&#039;t have an a priori objection to wage labor, but I do find it undesirable.  It would be outmoded pretty quickly in a free society where Tucker&#039;s Four Monopolies were abolished.  A free market would provide for many many many more coops, collectives, and worker-owned and operated businesses. I think that is a great thing to aim for.   
 
4.) I&#039;d need more details here (maybe an article)?  But sure, the corporations virtually run the entire planet and economy. 
 
My biggest concern is keeping means consistent with the ends.  So yes, I completely acknowledge, the same as you, that anyone who now has wealth through state power has not earned property in a just manner.  However, I don&#039;t think very many small businessmen consciously understand what is manifesting itself as capitalism.  Most people are just market actors bumbling along.  So I&#039;m not sure exactly how we are to deal with people like that who just respond the best way they can to the cards they&#039;re given. 
 
However, the ultra rich who actively manipulate the state to their advantage are another story. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will gladly chat with you, but please, use paragraph breaks.  Staring at a massive paragraph daunts my mind! </p>
<p>1.) If the capitalists acquired their wealth through state power and not productivity, I don&#039;t believe they have any right to it.  </p>
<p>2.) I know there are lots of anarchists who are against money.  I&#039;m more of an anarchist without adjectives in this way.  I&#039;d like to free society and people through voluntaryism and see which systems work best and are the most just.  I suspect money works very well and would continue to do so, but would be open to other forms of exchange being superior. </p>
<p>3.) I don&#039;t have an a priori objection to wage labor, but I do find it undesirable.  It would be outmoded pretty quickly in a free society where Tucker&#039;s Four Monopolies were abolished.  A free market would provide for many many many more coops, collectives, and worker-owned and operated businesses. I think that is a great thing to aim for.   </p>
<p>4.) I&#039;d need more details here (maybe an article)?  But sure, the corporations virtually run the entire planet and economy. </p>
<p>My biggest concern is keeping means consistent with the ends.  So yes, I completely acknowledge, the same as you, that anyone who now has wealth through state power has not earned property in a just manner.  However, I don&#039;t think very many small businessmen consciously understand what is manifesting itself as capitalism.  Most people are just market actors bumbling along.  So I&#039;m not sure exactly how we are to deal with people like that who just respond the best way they can to the cards they&#039;re given. </p>
<p>However, the ultra rich who actively manipulate the state to their advantage are another story.</p>
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		<title>Comment on SFL Leader Ross Kenyon Published in Christian Science Monitor by Phoenix Insurgent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenix Insurgent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few of the main problems I see with what is billed as anarcho-capitalism (a term I&#039;ll use here even though I disagree that it is in fact &quot;anarcho-&quot; at all): first, anarchism has historically meant the expropriation of the capitalist class (violently even); secondly, it has historically meant the abolition of money (the means through which accumulated capital is transferred to the owner of the means of production); third, the capitalist-worker relationship is inherently an unfree one; and, fourth, most contemporary anti-capitalist theory, anarchism included, now sees capitalist relations extending far beyond the workplace and into the colonization of every day life (communication, culture, etc).  Anarcho-cap, it seems, has no answer for any of those.  If, after the rev, I am still a subject of a capitalist, even if the state is gone, I am still a subject.  Anarchists have always fought for self-management, uncompromisingly.  Maintaining any boss-worker relationship naturally nullifies that.  I think anarcho-cap also maintains a myth that there can be a truce between the producer of capital (the worker, generally but not exclusively speaking) and the expropriator of capital (the capitalist) if only the state is eliminated.  Further, it is the state that protects that accumulation of capital through the cops and military.  While I tend to think that capitalism itself would collapse the moment the state ceased to exist, if it did continue on, it would mean only more exploitation by the bosses.  Without an expropriation of the ruling class, you&#039;re still left with the inequalities of capitalism.  I&#039;ve never met a libertarian or an anarcho-cap who is comfortable with the expropriation of the capitalist class (whether through general strike, insurrection, etc).  And yet that&#039;s exactly what is necessary, not to mention that it&#039;s what is central to anarchist philosophy.  That&#039;s just my initial thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few of the main problems I see with what is billed as anarcho-capitalism (a term I&#8217;ll use here even though I disagree that it is in fact &#8220;anarcho-&#8221; at all): first, anarchism has historically meant the expropriation of the capitalist class (violently even); secondly, it has historically meant the abolition of money (the means through which accumulated capital is transferred to the owner of the means of production); third, the capitalist-worker relationship is inherently an unfree one; and, fourth, most contemporary anti-capitalist theory, anarchism included, now sees capitalist relations extending far beyond the workplace and into the colonization of every day life (communication, culture, etc).  Anarcho-cap, it seems, has no answer for any of those.  If, after the rev, I am still a subject of a capitalist, even if the state is gone, I am still a subject.  Anarchists have always fought for self-management, uncompromisingly.  Maintaining any boss-worker relationship naturally nullifies that.  I think anarcho-cap also maintains a myth that there can be a truce between the producer of capital (the worker, generally but not exclusively speaking) and the expropriator of capital (the capitalist) if only the state is eliminated.  Further, it is the state that protects that accumulation of capital through the cops and military.  While I tend to think that capitalism itself would collapse the moment the state ceased to exist, if it did continue on, it would mean only more exploitation by the bosses.  Without an expropriation of the ruling class, you&#8217;re still left with the inequalities of capitalism.  I&#8217;ve never met a libertarian or an anarcho-cap who is comfortable with the expropriation of the capitalist class (whether through general strike, insurrection, etc).  And yet that&#8217;s exactly what is necessary, not to mention that it&#8217;s what is central to anarchist philosophy.  That&#8217;s just my initial thoughts.</p>
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